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Full Interviews

These are many data points. You need to make your own decision, but these are other voices and perspectives that governments, and those in power (government and industry and media) are doing their best to drown out.  You should be asking yourself, Why?  mrossol


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Martin Armstrong
Legendary investor and founder of Princeton Economics and has advised investment funds, governments, and central banks around the world.

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Dr. Aaron Kheriaty
Professor of bioethics from University of California, fired for standing against forced vaccination.

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Dr Claus Köhnlein
Doctor of Internal Medicine in Kiel Germany

Author of Virus Mania

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Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Doctor, former Public Health Officer, former German Parliament Member and Council of Europe Member

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Catherine Austin Fitts

Former Investment Banker

Asst. Secretary Bush Sr. Admin

Investment Advisor, Solari Inc.

2021 Interview

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2020 Interview

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Astrid Stuckelberger
WHO Whistleblower

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Michael Yeadon
Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer of Pfizer for 16 years. Founder of successful pharma start-up.

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New segment released on possible fertility concerns with the jab.

Fertility & the Jab (mirror 1, mirror 2, download link).

РУССКИЙ/Russian (mirror 1)

Gourmeltz Restaurant
The story of a restaurateur who fights back against mandates and wins!

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Matt Strickland Interview
Owner of Gourmeltz

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The Economists | Mises Institute
Mark Thornton

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Jeff Deist

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Joseph Salerno

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Mads Palsvig
Former Investment Banker, Danish Politician

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Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò

An outspoken and controversial Archbishop who challenges the pope, the covid saga and the orthodox understanding of the last 250 years of western history.

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Dr. Franz Allerberger
Chief Epidemiologist of Austria

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Nathalie Calame
A brief interview with a naturopathic doctor in French Switzerland. She describes her experience treating Covid patients, treating the vaccinated and on the big picture.

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Dr. Maria Huber
A general practitioner from Graz Austria describes her experience in grappling with understanding the pandemic and what’s truly going on.

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Atilis Gym in New Jersey
Two NJ guys worked hard and saved their whole life to finally open their own business, a gym. They turned a failed gym into a success for 9 months until they were told to close down. They refused.

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Bishop Schneider
Bishop of the Catholic Church

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Alessandro Fusillo
A Roman Lawyer who has helped Italian businesses stay open through the crisis.

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Dr. Alexandra Henrion-Caude
Geneticist and former research director of the French NIH, INSERM

Big Picture (mirror 1, mirror 2, download link)

mRNA Vaccine Discussion (mirror 1, mirror 2, download link)

Lilian Held-Khawam
Globalization Analyst

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Globalization Analysis Brief (mirror 1, mirror 2, download link)

Antionietta Gatti

Inventor of the field of nano-pathology and nano-toxicology

Explanation of Nano-Pathology and Nano-Toxicology (mirror 1, mirror 2, download link).

Analysis of Covid Test Swabs (mirror 1, mirror 2, download link).

Stefano Montanari
Pharmacist and author of many books on the vaccine industry

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Václav Klaus
Former Prime Minister of Czech Republic, and one of Europe’s greatest advocates for economic and political freedom.

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Knut Wittkowski
World Class Epidemiologist, last worked at Rockefeller University in NY as Head, Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, Center for Clinical & Translational Science.

Central Park Interview (mirror 1, mirror 2, download link, torrent).

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H.S.H Prince Michael of Liechtenstein
Executive Chairman Industrie-und Finanzkontor, Founder & Chairman Geopolitical Intelligence Services AG.

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Daniel Model
Businessman, thinker, benefactor of the arts.

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Sucharit Bhakdi MD
Most cited microbiologist in German academic history.

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May 2021 Interview

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Vaccine Appeal

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Pam Popper
Founder, Wellness Forum Health. Provides Health Education for providers and consumers.

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Jay W. Richards
Assistant Research Professor in the School of Business and Economics at The Catholic University of America.

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Reiner Fuellmich
Global Fraud Attorney, Founder of the German Corona Invesitgative Committee

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Scott Jensen MD
Family Doctor, Minnesota State Senator, Voted Best Minnesota Family Doctor in 2016. Came out on inappropriate practices related to deaths being labeled covid.

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German Protest Movement

Bodo Schiffman, Samuel Eckert
Markus Haintz
Civil Rights Attorney

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18 year old girl.

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Claus Köhnlien MD
Specialist in internal medicine in the Dept. of Oncology, Univ. of Kiel. Private Physician.

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David E. Martin, PhD
Financial analyst and entrepreneur

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Carrie Madej, MD
Doctor and Activist

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Marco in the Mountains
Conscientious objector

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11 year old girl from Portugal

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‘I Have No Regrets’: Enes Kanter Freedom, Ousted from NBA, Vows to Continue Speaking Out Against CCP’s Abuses

The Epoch Times, 2/22/2022, By Nhat Hoang

Enes Kanter Freedom, who was recently nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize and is newly without a team in the NBA, received a warm welcome from Senators on Capitol Hill at an awards ceremony last week for his continued activism against the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) human rights abuses.

When it comes to the NBA, “you can talk about all the social justice, all the injustices happening all around the world. But when it comes to China, you cannot speak up,” Freedom said at a ceremony hosted by advocacy group Committee on Present Danger: China in Washington on Feb. 17. “If you do, then you’d have to face the consequences.”

Freedom was released by the Houston Rockets soon after a trade from the Boston Celtics on Feb. 10. He was one of the highest-rated back-up centers statistically in the NBA, and believes that his activism cost him his career.

“I want to tell you guys that I have no regrets,” said Freedom. There are “more important things besides money and business such as morals, principles, and values.”

Freedom added that after learning about all of the persecution and human rights violations committed by the CCP, if he didn’t speak out against it, he would not be able to sleep at night.

Born in Switzerland on May 20, 1992, Enes Kanter later moved back with his family to their native Turkey. He changed his name to Enes Kanter Freedom upon becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen on Nov. 29, 2021.

The basketball player attracted attention for wearing basketball shoes in NBA games with various works of art to include slogans such as “Free China, Free Tibet,” and “Stop Organ Harvesting in China.”

The China Tribunal, a non-governmental people’s tribunal based in London looking into forced organ harvesting in China, in 2019 found that the CCP had committed crimes against humanity due to its forced harvesting of organs from prisoners of conscience.

The tribunal found that the main source of these organs was imprisoned Falun Gong practitioners. Falun Gong is a spiritual practice that has been brutally persecuted by the Chinese regime for more than two decades.

Freedom himself has been persecuted by the Turkish government despite his representing Turkey in International Basketball from U-16 competitions to playing with the senior national team in 2011.

He is unable to return to Turkey, or travel overseas, as there is a warrant for his arrest with Interpol for his open criticism of human rights abuses by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. His father has been arrested for the same reason.

In high school, Freedom declined two European basketball franchises and moved to Simi Valley, California, in 2009 to attend Stoneridge Preparatory School and became a five-star recruit. He committed to the University of Kentucky, but was deemed ineligible due to his being paid by Turkish professional sports club Fenerbahce in his youth.

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The shoes of Enes Kanter #13 of the Boston Celtics before the Celtics home opener against the Toronto Raptors at TD Garden, in Boston, on October 22, 2021. (Maddie Meyer/Getty Images)

He then entered the 2011 NBA Draft and was picked third overall by the Utah Jazz, and has played with five NBA franchises before his recent release.

His philanthropic work includes hosting free basketball camps in the United States, beginning with 16 camps in the summer of 2018. Fifty camps were provided in 2019, and Freedom planned another 50 camps for 2020 but had to cease them due to COVID-19 mandates.

It was at one of the camps when a mother called him out “in front of everybody” that he learned about the crimes against humanity committed by the CCP, he said at the conference.

“‘You call yourself a human rights activist, when your Muslim brothers and sisters are in concentration camps and getting tortured and raped every day,’” the woman told him.

“I was shocked. I couldn’t say anything,” he said, adding that he “turned around to that parent and I promised, ‘I will get back to you.’ So, that day I canceled everything. I went back to my hotel and started to study, and started to learn about what’s going on over there.”

The basketball player recalled the aftermath of a 2019 tweet by then-Houston Rockets general manager in support of pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong. The tweet, though swiftly deleted, ignited a firestorm of anger in China, with all Chinese sponsors of the NBA pulling out of deals and internet streaming of the competition disrupted for many months after.

“[The] NBA wanted to silence everybody,” said Freedom. “I got a call from my agent … ‘The whole Chinese government [is] watching your Twitter—do not say anything.’ And the Celtics made media unavailable for two weeks.”

Freedom said that he will continue to stand up for what he believes in, as his mother taught him when he was young, even if it results in him losing everything.


Emails Show U.S. Federal Agencies Urging Facebook to Push ‘Messages of Duty’ on COVID

Emails Show U.S. Federal Agencies Urging Facebook to Push ‘Messages of Duty’ on COVID

By Reclaim The Net 2/21/2022

More evidence of the close relationship with Big Tech and the federal government.

Newly-obtained emails have revealed how US federal agencies encouraged Facebook to use Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data to push “hyper-localized” alerts to its users and recommended that it push a “focused message” on COVID topics such as travel and masking.

The emails were obtained by Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), a group that investigates medical procedures and educates the public of their right to “informed consent,” and show communications between Payton Iheme, Facebook’s US Public Policy head, Irum Zaidi, a top aide to then-White House Coronavirus Task Force Coordinator Deborah Birx, and Amira Boland, a career staffer in the federal government’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB).

In a November 2020 email, Boland requested that Facebook use the county-level CDC data set to push “hyper-localized stats/ alerts based on where users are located” and even suggested specific “local weather alerts” style messaging such as “COVID is spreading faster in Franklin County.”

Boland also provided a specific list of groups to Facebook that we “need to act.”

Additionally, Boland sent Facebook a “focused message for the next week (and generally over the holiday season)” from the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and urged Facebook to push specific HHS talking points. These talking points contained specific recommendations on travel, virtual gatherings, and mask-wearing and encouraged Facebook to push “messages of duty” such as “For your family, for your country” to “young individuals and men.”

“Anything you can do to highlight actions people can be empowered with (e.g., ‘Rethink travel, gather virtually, wear a mask‘) rather than just saying something like ‘learn more about COVID-19’ would be great,” Boland wrote. “(As in, if you had those actions link to guidance (rather than more generic ‘learn more’ when you flag something as related to COVID19), since most won’t click through, and the guidance is too long for most to read)…Messages of duty e.g., ‘For your family, for your country’ seem to be most resonate to young individuals and men. A summary of behavioral insights for comms is attached.”

The forwarded email from the HHS contained COVID talking points related to Thanksgiving such as “This Thanksgiving, think about celebrating in person with only the people in your household to ensure you have the safest holiday you can ” and “Remember-travel increases your risk of getting and spreading COVID-19.”

This November 2020 email from Boland was sent to Facebook seven months before it partnered with the Pfizer-backed CDC Foundation to fund social media tactics to increase “vaccine uptake.”

In the same month that this email was sent, Facebook was encouraging its users to take the coronavirus vaccine as part of a “charm offensive for Joe Biden” and had teamed up with the UK government to censor vaccine-skeptic content online. It had also announced plans to use user data to analyze and predict worldwide coronavirus cases.

This revelation that federal government agencies in the US were privately imploring Facebook to push CDC data and talking points is one of many examples of the federal government pushing Big Tech companies to promote its talking points and censor dissenting views.

Most recently, the Biden administration praised Spotify’s COVID misinformation labels but said “there’s more that can be done.” Previously, the administration has admitted that it flags misinformation for Facebook to censormet with Facebook to discuss misinformation, and applied pressure to Big Tech platforms by threatening to hold them “accountable for the harms that they cause.”

Other emails and reports have also exposed how Facebook provided free advertising worth $3.5 million to the CDC.

Additionally, Facebook often implements censorship policies based on the guidance of health authorities such as the CDC.

The issue of the federal government leaning on Big Tech companies to censor has been the subject of several recent lawsuits that argue this censorship violates the First Amendment because the companies qualify as “state actors” when censoring on behalf of the government but so far, none have proved successful.


Former Harvard Prof. Martin Kulldorff: ‘Science and Public Health Are Broken’

A great article by The Epoch Times. Clearly layout what has happened to the West the last two+ years. The “woke, totalitarian, communist, deluded, privileged-class” care only about power and their own protection, success and survival. There is no principle in them. mrossol

The Epoch Times, By Charlotte Cuthbertson  February 16, 2022 

Dr. Martin Kulldorff is one of the most qualified public health pandemic experts in the United States. To the narrative-shapers, he’s a pariah.

As a prominent epidemiologist and statistician, Kulldorff has worked on detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks for two decades. His methods are widely used around the world and by almost every state health department in the United States, as well as by hundreds of people at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Kulldorff has also worked on vaccine safety for decades, developing globally used methods for monitoring adverse reactions in new vaccines.

His résumé on the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) website is 45 pages long and includes a list of 201 peer-reviewed published journal papers. His work has been cited more than 27,000 times.

Since 2003, Kulldorff worked at Harvard Medical School, first as an associate professor of population medicine and later as a professor of medicine.


In November, Harvard and Kulldorff abruptly parted ways.

Kulldorff prefers to keep the reasons private, but it’s hard to ignore that he placed himself in the crosshairs of the pandemic narrative early on in the “15 days to slow the spread” lockdown and has since paid the price.

It’s quite something for a public health scientist at the top of his game to admit that “both science and public health are broken.”

“For some reason, a public official narrative was established, and you weren’t allowed to question it—which, of course, is very detrimental, both to the pandemic and how to deal with the pandemic, because you have to have a vibrant discussion to figure out how best to deal with these things,” he told The Epoch Times.

The Swedish native said he tried to point out in March 2020 that there was a very steep age gradient on mortality for COVID-19, the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Kulldorff said he attempted to publish a paper both in U.S. medical journals and mainstream newspapers stating that while anyone could contract the virus, the focus should be on protecting the elderly and those at high risk. His paper was knocked back from all directions.

“I was able to publish in Sweden, in the major daily newspapers there during the spring of 2020, so that was not a problem,” he said. “But the United States was not allowed to have a debate, which is very troubling.”

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Dr. Martin Kulldorff, epidemiologist and statistician, at his home in Ashford, Conn., on Feb. 11, 2022. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)

The Great Barrington Declaration

His early efforts culminated in the Great Barrington Declaration, published with Dr. Sunetra Gupta and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya in October 2020. The declaration called for a more nuanced approach to the one-size-fits-all restrictions that had been imposed on much of Western society.

“The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk,” the declaration states.

The two other authors are also amply qualified in the field. Gupta is a professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases. Bhattacharya is a professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

Kulldorff said the Great Barrington Declaration proposed nothing new.

“It’s just the basic fundamental principles of public health that existed in the pandemic preparedness plan that was prepared many years before,” he said. “It’s sort of astonishing that it wasn’t followed from the very beginning of the pandemic.”

Conventional public health science had deemed it unnecessary and potentially harmful to close schools and small businesses, to impose masking on the general public, and to quarantine healthy people.

Kulldorff said the document wasn’t for the politicians, or scientists, or even the doctors—although thousands of each signed it.

“The most important audience was the public,” he said, “because it’s the public that ultimately will end these misguided public health policies. It’s the public, regular people, who are suffering the consequences.”

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L–R: Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology at University of Oxford, and Jay Bhattacharya, professor of medicine at Stanford University, at the American Institute for Economic Research in Massachusetts on Oct. 3, 2020. (Courtesy of The American Institute for Economic Research)

He said the authors wanted to advise the average person that their intuition was correct, that the restrictions weren’t based on public health science—”so when you oppose them, you’re standing on firm scientific ground.”

“The key thing was to break the pretense that there was scientific consensus for these lockdowns—which there wasn’t.”

The appearance of a scientific consensus was formed through high-profile public health officials such as Dr. Anthony Fauci, Dr. Francis Collins, and Dr. Deborah Birx, as well as corporate media along with  the stifling of opposing viewpoints.

“There’s really no public health arguments against the declaration. So if you want to criticize it, you have to … make up lies about it and then attack that, as well as slander the people behind it. And they did both of those things,” Kulldorff said.

It wasn’t until a December 2021 email dump that Kulldorff and the American public got to peek behind the curtain of how the traditional pandemic playbook had been tossed and how swiftly dissenting voices were maligned.

Following a Freedom of Information Act request, emails that involved Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), were released. An email to Fauci from Collins, then-director of the National Institutes of Health, was sent days after the Great Barrington Declaration was published.

“This proposal from the three fringe epidemiologists … seems to be getting a lot of attention,” Collins told Fauci in the Oct. 8, 2020, email. “There needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. I don’t see anything like that online yet—is it underway?”

Collins’s four-line email mentioned that the declaration included “even a co-signature from Nobel Prize winner Mike Leavitt at Stanford.”

Fauci appears to have been in full agreement with Collins’s proposal to take down the authors and their declaration, sending a one-line reply.

“I am pasting in below a piece from the Wired [magazine] that debunks this theory,” he wrote. Collins replied. “Excellent.”

Within a day of the Collins–Fauci exchange, Google began to censor search results for “Great Barrington Declaration.”

In a subsequent interview, Collins said the declaration “is not mainstream science. It’s dangerous.”

Fauci called the declaration “ridiculous” and “total nonsense” in an interview with ABC.

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Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health and Dr. Robert Redfield (R), director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testify at a Senate hearing in Washington on July 2, 2020. (Saul Loeb-Pool/Getty Images)

A cavalcade of articles from corporate media outlets ensued, with a common theme to disparage the declaration and its authors.

The New York Times called focused protection a “viral theory.”

BuzzFeed called it a “highly controversial recommendation.”

Forbes called the declaration’s detractors “real infectious disease and public health experts.”

“Anti-lockdown advocate appears on radio show that has featured Holocaust deniers,” a Guardian headline blared, referring to Kulldorff’s interview on the “Richie Allen Show.”

Gregg Gonsalves, an associate professor of epidemiology at Yale, called the focused protection strategy “a massacre” and a “straw man argument” produced by “fancy scientists,” in a Twitter thread a week after the declaration was published.

Kulldorff, when asked if he’d ever considered himself a “fringe epidemiologist,” said, “No I have not, but I guess, when the public health leaders get it wrong, then it’s an honor to be a fringe epidemiologist.”

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A kindergarten classroom sits empty at the KT Murphy Elementary School in Stamford, Conn., on March 17, 2020. (John Moore/Getty Images)

Social media giants such as Twitter and Facebook jumped on the censorship bandwagon and started labeling certain posts as misleading, while permanently banning journalists such as Alex Berenson.

Berenson’s final tweet before being purged was about the COVID-19 vaccines.

“It doesn’t stop infection. Or transmission,” he posted on Aug. 28, 2021. “Think of it—at best—as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed in advance of illness. And we want to mandate it? Insanity.”

Berenson, a former New York Times journalist, has since sued Twitter.

“You always have to be allowed to question science,” Kulldorff said. “We should never silence that debate, pretend that there’s some person who is ‘The Science,’ who has all the truths.

“I think that happened during this pandemic and that’s an embarrassment for the scientific community.”

In an interview at the end of November 2021, Fauci lashed out at Republican senators who had criticized him.

“They’re really criticizing science, because I represent science,” Fauci told CBS.

Personal Life

Kulldorff was 8 years old when he first came to reside in the United States. His father, also a scientist, moved the family from Sweden for a one-year university sabbatical in 1970.

It was October, and two weeks after arriving in Texas, Kulldorff’s mother told him to don a costume and head out with the local children.

“We walked around the neighborhood, and everywhere we knocked on the door, they gave us candy. So that was pretty nice for an 8-year-old. And I’ve liked this country ever since,” he said.

Kulldorff returned to the United States for a couple of years in the 1980s for his doctoral work, and in the early ’90s, he made the move permanent.

The original dream for Kulldorff was to teach high school math and history. He laughs about it still being a backup plan if his current career falls apart.

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Dr. Martin Kulldorff, epidemiologist and statistician, at his home in Ashford, Conn., on Feb. 11, 2022. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)

He still sees fatherhood as his most important job. As a single father with a 19-year-old son and twin 6-year-olds, he spends a lot of time with his children.

“I think the most wonderful and the most important thing in life is to be a parent and see your children grow up,” he said. “So I have always spent plenty of time with them since they were born. I’ve always prioritized that over my career.”

He said the twins were fortunate during the pandemic restrictions in Connecticut to have each other as built-in playmates.

His oldest son was 17 when the pandemic started.

“I wasn’t concerned about him getting COVID because I knew that the risk for him is minuscule. But I was very concerned about his mental health. So I was urging him to go out there and play basketball with his friends, hang out with them, do those social things. I wanted him to have as normal a life as possible.”

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A Brooklyn restaurant sits closed in the early evening after a decree that all bars and restaurants shutdown by 8 p.m. in New York City on March 16, 2020. (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

Why Take a Stand?

Kulldorff has worked in both the Swedish and U.S. health science fields, and followed closely his native country’s very different, less invasive response to the pandemic.

His family members in the Nordic country understood when he took a divergent tack to the U.S. mainstream narrative of harsh lockdowns, closing schools, and mandatory masking.

“Sweden had a more sane approach to it, so they didn’t find it strange what I was saying,” he said.

He didn’t set out to be a rebel, and there wasn’t much hand wringing behind Kulldorff’s decision to go against the grain when he saw the tried-and-true pandemic response being cast aside.

“I don’t think I have a choice. Since I worked on infectious disease outbreaks for two decades and they instituted policies that go against the basic principles to public health, I can’t just be silent. I have to speak up. There’s no other alternative,” he said.

“Otherwise, what’s the point of being a public health scientist?”

He’s quick to show support for other scientists who agree with him but feel as if they can’t speak out due to potential loss of research funding or even their job. People such as Fauci, who oversees an annual taxpayer-funded budget of over $6 billion at NIAID, hold the purse strings as well as control of what’s published in journals.

“If you dare speak out against [Fauci’s] views on the pandemic, you can lose funding. And if you agree with him and support him, you can gain funding,” Kulldorff said.

Four prominent scientists who were instrumental in shaping the COVID-19 “natural origin” narrative received substantial increases in grant money from Fauci’s NIAID in the subsequent two years, The Epoch Times found.

“So I fully understand that scientists are very afraid of criticizing the policies championed by the guy who sits on the biggest chunk of infectious disease research money in the world,” Kulldorff said.

“We shouldn’t have those conflicts. Research should be very broad, and we should fund broadly different ideas, and some pan out and some don’t, but that’s how you do good science.”

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Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, testifies at a House hearing in Washington on July 31, 2020. (Kevin Dietsch-Pool/Getty Images)

Collateral Damage

One of the major precepts behind the Great Barrington Declaration is that public health is wide-ranging and needs a long-term view, yet many influential scientists had a singular focus on COVID-19 outcomes.

“One of the principles of public health is, it’s not about one disease, like COVID, it’s about all of public health,” Kulldorff said.

That singular focus resulted in government officials filling skateboard parks in California with sand and locking up children’s playgrounds with chains and yellow police tape. Millions of children were sent home from school and for almost two years were forced to learn virtually from home.

Meanwhile, teen suicide rates have increased, drug and alcohol abuse has increased, domestic violence has risen, while childhood vaccinations decreased and cancer screenings plummeted.

Health experts warned in May 2020 that as pandemic-driven hardship puts added strain on the mental health of Americans, as many as 154,000 extra lives may be lost due to drug or alcohol abuse and suicide, or “deaths of despair.”

People were dying from cardiovascular diseases that, in normal circumstances, they would have survived, Kulldorff said,”because maybe they were afraid to go to the hospital, or they went too late.”

“So these are all tragic consequences, collateral damage, of these COVID measures, restrictions that were imposed,” he said. “And you can’t just do that for a whole year or two and expect that it doesn’t have other enormously bad outcomes on public health.”

Kulldorff anticipates that many of the ancillary health impacts have yet to surface.

In January, a Johns Hopkins meta-analysis of lockdown data concluded that lockdowns didn’t save lives.

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The playground at Lincoln Park is closed during the pandemic in Los Angeles on March 21, 2020. (APU GOMES/AFP via Getty Images)

What’s Next?

Kulldorff is dedicating his next chapter to helping restore trust in science and public health—both of which he calls “broken.”

“So it’s the heads of the funding agencies, the heads of the big journals, and the university presidents and deans who all went into the same bubble thinking that they knew what was right, and which turned out to be wrong,” Kulldorff said.

“But all scientists now are going to have to suffer from that, because, for good reasons, the public won’t trust scientists anymore.”

He’s working with the Brownstone Institute as the scientific director to navigate how to shore up public health again. He’s also part of Hillsdale College’s new Academy for Science and Freedom, which he says will promote and defend the importance of open, free scientific discourse.

“It’s very clear that if we want to have vibrant science, and a vibrant scientific community, we have to reform the way science operates and the way public health operates,” he said.

But, Kulldorff said, it’s up to the public—the truckers, farmers, nurses, pilots, and parents—as well as rank-and-file scientists to effect real change.

It’s also time to compassionately help each other heal from the psychological and mental wounds, he said, especially those still living in constant fear of COVID and those who have been self-isolating for two years now.

“I think we shouldn’t blame those who were afraid, because they were major victims of this pandemic strategy,” he said.

“We shouldn’t blame people for believing Anthony Fauci and the CDC—that was the natural thing to do. We just have to help them realize that these measures were misguided so that never happens again.”